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# ChangeLog for fedd/federation
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Tue, 25 May 2010 18:15:55 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d3c8759]
	* fedd/federation/allocate_project.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/deter_impl.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/deter_internal_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/dragon_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/fedid.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/local_emulab_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/ns2topdl.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_emulab_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/server.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/util.py (modified)

	Wholesale change of IOError to EnvironmentError for file operations. ...


Tue, 25 May 2010 18:05:21 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [da2208a]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	Coerce all attributes that we think are strings into being strings in ...


Tue, 25 May 2010 17:50:01 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [b53e1fc]
	* fedd/federation/util.py (modified)

	Added a routine for finding pickling problems


Tue, 25 May 2010 12:36:38 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [acaa9b9]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Turn off the seer in export_project and add new SEER args for ...


Tue, 25 May 2010 08:42:22 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [aa9a417]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	I was pretty sure I'd already committed this.  Anyway, the seer ...


Mon, 24 May 2010 15:29:59 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8fc0606]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Wrap up tcl names


Mon, 24 May 2010 14:12:13 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [49051fb]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Add seer_master service.  Other minor fixes and refactoring.


Mon, 24 May 2010 14:11:34 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8dbbdc5]
	* fedd/federation/deter_internal_access.py (modified)

	Workaround for pickling errors.  This needs a real fix.


Mon, 24 May 2010 14:10:30 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [0863dd1]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	a few lingering element name bugs.


Mon, 24 May 2010 10:22:07 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [0ea75d2]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	Plain bug.  Don't know how this survived so long.


Mon, 24 May 2010 10:21:42 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [11867dde]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	Make the number of retries a parameter


Wed, 19 May 2010 14:21:24 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [df3179c]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	Whoops.  Allow unspecified capacities in ns output


Wed, 19 May 2010 09:08:55 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f9c2f63]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	Imbedded import?  Not a good idea; dunno what I was thinking


Wed, 19 May 2010 09:01:16 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f1550c8]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	Modify topology_from_xml to find embedded topologies.


Tue, 18 May 2010 19:25:25 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d743d60]
	* fedd/fedd_client.py (modified)
	* fedd/fedd_create.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_ftopo.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_image.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_info.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_multiinfo.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_multistatus.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_new.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_ns2topdl.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_spewlog.py (added)
	* fedd/fedd_terminate.py (added)
	* fedd/federation/client_lib.py (added)
	* fedd/setup.py (modified)

	Totally refactor fedd_client.py into component scripts.  The previous ...


Tue, 18 May 2010 15:53:55 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [85bba36]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	Another error case - unsupported methods - handled better.


Tue, 18 May 2010 11:04:12 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [139e2e2]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	Whoops.  This doesn't fail of there is no direct_transit
	configuration


Mon, 17 May 2010 16:08:23 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [4a53c72]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	A few more places to change the computer name from list to single
	string


Fri, 14 May 2010 10:32:50 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [6d7a024]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	One more error.


Fri, 14 May 2010 10:14:21 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [822fd49]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	whoops


Fri, 14 May 2010 10:10:15 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [1e7f268]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)
	* wsdl/topdl.xsd (modified)

	Make computers single named


Wed, 12 May 2010 18:04:34 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d2c2315]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Specify local SEER node image correctly


Wed, 12 May 2010 16:38:05 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8483f24]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	regexp didn't actually substitute


Wed, 12 May 2010 14:26:35 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d2471df]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	Some shaky cloning stuff.  Can't swear it was a problem, but this ...


Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:53 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [1a4ee0f]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	pickling the dict version of the topology object doesn't fail, but ...


Wed, 12 May 2010 14:24:26 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [bf3e812]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	Remove debugging


Tue, 11 May 2010 19:50:59 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [e76f38a]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Local seer control option


Tue, 11 May 2010 17:38:10 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [7dbfaed]
	* fedd/federation/deter_internal_access.py (modified)

	The int conversion is prone to spurious errors.


Tue, 11 May 2010 17:37:41 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [10a7053]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/util.py (modified)

	Deal with another random way SSL can fail us.


Mon, 10 May 2010 21:20:40 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [175b444]
	* fedd/federation/deter_impl.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/deter_internal_access.py (added)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	Add a new plugin for the DETER internal network, and generalize the ...


Tue, 04 May 2010 09:28:38 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [e77c86e]
	* fedd/federation/deter_impl.py (modified)
	* wsdl/abac.wsdl (modified)
	* wsdl/abac_types.xsd (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd.wsdl (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_internal.wsdl (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)
	* wsdl/topdl.xsd (modified)

	get rid of faber


Mon, 03 May 2010 17:01:19 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d20823f]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	This is very odd.  Defaulting reqs in the federated_service ...


Mon, 03 May 2010 09:58:57 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f3803ea]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	missed some spots getting subtestbeds right


Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:09:36 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [7e67ab9]
	* fedd/fedd_client.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)

	Add an explicit way to say "export this to everyone" (importall
	service)


Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:09:53 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [ab847bc]
	* fedd/federation/dragon_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/util.py (modified)

	New syntax for testbeds that includes a /instance rider.  This allows ...


Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:13:21 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [05fceef]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	bad error message


Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:10:57 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [2ee4226]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	More attempts to make the SSL more reliable on users.  Not completely ...


Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:35:28 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d8442da]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	This seems more robust in calling GetValue.  This was intermittently ...


Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:21:17 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [935e46f]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/local_emulab_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_emulab_segment.py (modified)

	Regular expression that accommodates appliances and virtual nodes ...


Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:18:54 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [4c931af]
	* fedd/federation/proxy_emulab_segment.py (modified)

	fixed info for proxy emulab


Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:21:35 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f7a54c6]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Full domain name on the hostname attibute


Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:31:03 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [b4b19c7]
	* fedd/fedd_client.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/local_emulab_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_emulab_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)

	Get topology information into the info operation, as annotations of a ...


Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:37:35 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [eeab22e]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)

	remove references to emulab data structure


Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:01:51 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [9b8e269]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)

	remove deprecated master field (and change a log message0


Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:32:11 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [4f2f41f]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	needs to go, but not yet


Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:16:22 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [43197eb]
	* fedd/fedd_client.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)

	better service handling including project_export psuedo service done ...


Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:17:59 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [0c4b12c]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	more de mastering


Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:04:00 GMT Mike Ryan <mikeryan@…> [c23684d]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	always create software directory since fedkit needs to be copied
	there


Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:14:49 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [5f96438]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (modified)

	checkpoint for download - not tested


Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:27:04 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [73e7f5c]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_partition.py (added)

	Split the experiment partition routines out into a separate class


Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:59 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [7fe81be]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	tweaks


Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:53:58 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [5f6929a]
	* fedd/fedd_client.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/deter_impl.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/ns2topdl.py (moved)
	* wsdl/fedd_internal.wsdl (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)

	Two changes at once

	Remove master and export project from the ...


Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:17:21 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f8ae7aa]
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)

	Neaten things up a little and support rpms for federation and portal ...


Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:44:26 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [1627c3d]
	* fedd/federation/dragon_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)

	Protect dragon from StartSegment replays.  Also writeout the replay ...


Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:39:59 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [cd06678]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)

	Handle replayed StartSegment calls.  SSL sometimes kills the response ...


Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:37:21 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [bdf00d5]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	Communicate the last error


Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:45:28 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [114d24b]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	logging


Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:35:10 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [1dcaff4]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/util.py (modified)

	Improved SSL error handling (more try blocks, BIOError exception) ...


Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:27:33 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [3159f5d]
	* fedd/fedd_client.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/split.py (modified)

	Set up the repote splitter to translate into a topdl description.  It ...


Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:21:17 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [09b4dc4]
	* fedd/federation/deter_impl.py (modified)

	another path where access was not initialized


Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:20:38 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8cce763]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	Errors in the retry stuff.


Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:35:30 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [310d419]
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)

	Renewal interval in seconds


Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:35:06 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [1cf8e2c]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Fix bug where federation software wasn't copied and add a hack for ...


Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:34:01 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [d46b1d5]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	Bracked all tcl names so that names with a dash (and other ...


Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:32:38 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [35a4c01]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	Access controllers manage the fedkit now.  Also upped the parallelism ...


Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:01:00 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [86a7bb8]
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)

	Use the more general fedkit routing setup and make sure that ...


Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:44:44 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [4e9719b]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)
	* fedkit/prep_gateway.pl (modified)
	* fedkit/smbmount.FreeBSD.pl (modified)

	SEER stuff


Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:08:05 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [9b3627e]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)
	* fedkit/Makefile (modified)
	* fedkit/combo.pl (modified)
	* fedkit/federate.pl (modified)
	* fedkit/gateway_lib.pm (modified)
	* fedkit/prep_gateway.pl (modified)
	* fedkit/smbmount.Linux.pl (modified)
	* fedkit/start_seer.pl (added)

	SEER support


Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:53:11 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [c2c153b]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	another place SSL/HTTP can bedevil us


Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:39:41 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [0b799e0]
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)

	stage an ssh identity properly


Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:02:15 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [062b991]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	Fix netmask calculation


Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:01:52 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [dd3e38b]
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)

	Add slice/sliver renewal


Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:02:20 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8846959]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	remove debugging


Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:01:59 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [e777dab]
	* fedd/federation/proxy_segment.py (modified)

	Don't forward X11 - things can fail


Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:59:26 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [593e901]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)

	Checkpoint working federation w/PG (w/o routing yet...)


Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:11:49 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [c5b28bf]
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	duh


Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:58:48 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8e6fe4d]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/remote_service.py (modified)

	checkpoint and SLSL error catching


Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:19:03 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [c119839]
	* fedd/federation/protogeni_access.py (added)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_protogeni_segment.py (added)

	Initial check in


Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:18:33 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [289ff7e]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	Netmasks


Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:18:09 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [6280b1f]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	SSH port numbers


Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:17:27 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f81aba7]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	MOre ProtoGENI accomodations


Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:16:47 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [632dd59]
	* fedd/federation/util.py (modified)

	More unicode intolerance.


Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:16:13 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [93c865a]
	* fedd/federation/ip_addr.py (modified)

	Support longs


Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:43:02 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [0ac1934]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	Small SEER things.  Compute a correct visualization and done tell an ...


Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:05:58 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [6f82229]
	* fedd/federation/dragon_access.py (modified)

	configurable duration


Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:31:35 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [37776ea]
	* fedd/federation/proxy_emulab_segment.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/proxy_segment.py (added)

	Split out proxy code for use with other proxies - e.g. protogeni
	proxy


Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:06:21 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [6d07908]
	* fedd/federation/topdl.py (modified)

	whoops - missing space


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:32:32 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f52f5df]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	correctly handle synch revocation


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:07:01 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [dadc4da]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	revocation conrtol


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:06:14 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [9c2e4e1]
	* fedd/federation/deter_impl.py (modified)

	Protogeni install


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:50:00 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [af75d48]
	* fedd/federation/synch_store.py (modified)

	Add the ability to revoke a synch key


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:08:29 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [b78c9ea]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	typo


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:39:36 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [7a011e9]
	* fedd/federation/dragon_access.py (modified)

	Use self organizing store


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:38:34 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [8353ac6]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)

	Typo


Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:38:17 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [109a32a]
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)

	More dragon cleanup and finally removing the last "special" testbed. ...


Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:31:25 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [2761484]
	* fedd/federation/emulab_access.py (modified)
	* fedd/federation/experiment_control.py (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd.wsdl (modified)
	* wsdl/fedd_types.xsd (modified)

	Inital parameterization and synchronization.  Tested for Emulabs, but ...


Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:24:51 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [ef252e9]
	* fedd/federation/synch_store.py (modified)

	Add support for loading and saving the synch points (pickle didn't ...


Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:23:10 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [358e0b8]
	* fedd/federation/authorizer.py (modified)

	Some debugging - make str work better on an authorizer


Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:22:22 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [f017447]
	* fedd/federation/synch_store.py (modified)

	white space.  I'll stop now.


Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:20:56 GMT Ted Faber <faber@…> [5e3d889]
	* fedd/federation/synch_store.py (modified)

	Documentation and remove the redundant, unused key attribute from the ...